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Masud Olufani, an artist from Atlanta, and Maya Mansour, a model from Chicago, talk with Payam Zamani, Editor-in-chief at, about racism, immigration and why the wounds of racism take so long to heal. Their frank, challenging conversation cultivates a sense of urgency around healing the issues of race—not just as a theoretical supposition, but as a living, breathing reality we can all own.

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  • Claudia Phillips
    Dec 30, 2019
    Such a good discussion! Masud said that healing from racism takes courage. Yes! We can't be afraid of the discussions or the discomfort. Also, I loved that Maya challenged us to take a look at our own relationships and make sure we're getting to really know people of other races as individuals.
  • Coriolano Guarani-Kaiowá Correa
    Feb 11, 2018
    Excellent interview! We Baha'is must tackle this delicate issue courageously and frankly, without beating abt the bush.
  • Rosslyn and Steven Osborne
    Feb 11, 2018
    Thank you this is very good to listen to and think about.